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Government has lost the immigration debate – but does it matter?

Yesterday’s Sunday Business Post Red C poll asked the public a question which it remains almost unheard of to ask either in Leinster House or on the national airwaves: Has Ireland accepted too many refugees?

The results were not close: 66% of people said that yes we have, a mere 16% said that no we have not, and 15% were either unwilling or unable to express an opinion on the matter. Of those who did express an opinion, the margin is four to one.

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Des
3 months ago

A Govt that ignores the will of the public is not fit for purpose and must be replaced

Daniel BUCKLEY
3 months ago
Reply to  Des

Ireland does not have a Govt.
It has a Regime, that wilfully ignores the interests of the People and blatantly works against them.
When you realise that the Regime is the Enemy, then all else falls into place, The Hate Speech Laws, the Digital Services Act, the Electoral Commission,the perversion of schoolchildren by the school curriculum.
They are designed to censor Free Speech and expressions of opinion, whether spoken ,in print ,or on Social Media. Dissent to Regime destructive policy is verboten. and ensured by Law and Media control.
This is Totalitarianism in action, the jackboot on the face of humanity.
Without Free Speech there is no Freedom or Democracy.
100 Years of Independence and peaceful living have lulled the Irish People into a sopoforic stupor and self destructive complacency , with a bovine like acceptance of their displacement and elimination.
Only great tragedy will awaken their instinct of survival and that is coming down the pike as the Nation disintegrates into chaos and anarchy with no understanding that it is a planned deliberate assault.

Fergal Doyle
3 months ago
Reply to  Daniel BUCKLEY

Nail on the head Des.

Pat.Car
3 months ago
Reply to  Des

It’s a very scary situation now! As the government has two things in their control:
1. They can decide when the election happens and…
2. They will make some changes to immigration to fool us and to get through the election!
Sinn Fein are being punished in the polls, because they offer no alternative to the governments immigration policies…. and if they do now suddenly, then we all know, that they will not carry it through after the elections!
The only alternative we have is to go for the independent parties, who have created an alternative policy as a reason for their existence!
The Uni-Party loyalty is to Geneva/Davos gendre and not to the electorate

Last edited 3 months ago by Pat.Car
Charles Foster Kane
3 months ago
Reply to  Des

The Republic is not the State. The State must be abandoned entirely and a voluntary contribution system put in place. Tax is theft.

Emmet Molony
3 months ago

The farmers alliance/independents are the dark horse here, politically speaking. If they can run a good race or somehow give the other horses an extra feed of hay before it, we could end in a triple tied heat. It would certainly make for an interesting post election showdown.

Anne Donnellan
3 months ago
Reply to  Emmet Molony

France Germany Romania Netherlands farmers showing you mess with tgem at your peril

John joseph McDermott
3 months ago
Reply to  Anne Donnellan

The gov. Will never mess with the farmers.!

Dora
3 months ago
Reply to  Emmet Molony

That’s the way we’re voting, Farmers Alliance. And up for an Irish version of what’s happening in Paris right now.

Seamus Finlay
3 months ago
Reply to  Emmet Molony

Also the Irish Freedom Party!

Laura Crowley
3 months ago

How about an apology to the people of Ireland for gaslighting us & labelling those that questioned things as misinformed, far right & hate filled. The decent thing to do would be to apologise as that’s the least they owe us but that’s never going to happen.

Don’t be fooled , they’re only throwing us a few breadcrumbs as the elections are looming . It will be back to business as usual after the elections . We can’t trust them.

Stephen
3 months ago

The power of the NGO,s and their control of RTE and most of the media ensures the politicians will jump through hoops for them. The upcoming elections may make them throw a few scraps to the peasants but don’t be fooled. They are not on your side.

Mary Reynolds
3 months ago

The advocate NGOs are the heavily funded arm of the government who are waging their propaganda in the media, to make us surrender to mass immigration through open borders into our little island. The same again for the hate law. It is NGO driven and even NGO inspired. The ‘trusted flaggers’ who will police our thoughts are from the ranks of the NGOs. Why not call them flaggers? There should be open public competition for these jobs, not an insider deal for the specially chosen. Imagine a pro-immigration parasite policing our thoughts on open borders. Or a woke bloodsucker who thinks a man can be woman. Where will that end for those who accept the logic of biology? The big parties are trying to destroy our country with mass immigration. Our culture, heritage and way of life will be subsumed in the more aggressive incoming culture, that is prioritised and moneyed up to wipe the Irish and their culture off the map. In their very own country. To stop this rot, please vote for anti-immigration candidates only. All the other parties have got us into this hell. The main opposition party SF did not oppose it, which was their role as an opposition party. They cheered it on along with the government as they are an open borders globalist party, leaving us without the democracy we needed. No party to rein the government in, leaving them to go wild with mass immigration. SF are anti-nationalist but are deceptive because they are republican and want a united Ireland. Who do they want in their United Ireland? The whole world. And all the other parties want the same. Vote wisely.

Matthew
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

I fully agree with every observation you have made. The extent and funding of NGO’s is really alarming when you look into it.

Anne Donnellan
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

Ngos and 3rd level funded by $0R0$

Anne Donnellan
3 months ago

Lots of room in Turkmenistan

Mary Reynolds
3 months ago
Reply to  Anne Donnellan

If we had the same rules as Turkmenistan, we would not have our massive immigration problem. The Turkmans are a very proud people who know how to preserve their own culture and heritage. Ireland is like an auld drunk, giving it all away.

David Sheridan
3 months ago

They don’t care what the Irish people think.

James Mcguinness
3 months ago

The political parties don’t care about polls, martin has spent enough time dismissing them for selfish globalist reasons. He is a Freemason after all which means he has his own secret agenda. Interesting you reference Winston Churchill who was nwo and was receiving moneys from the Zionist pressure group since 1936 which is why he used cluster munitions on Dresden and other cities even though they were illegal. He was never a fan of democracy because he wanted a one world government and was a famous Freemason and druid. If you go through house of commons speeches, you won’t find one reference to Hitler from Churchill until 1936. Bottom line here, the people don’t matter, money does.

Dora
3 months ago

Not sure that’s historically coherent.

James Mcguinness
3 months ago
Reply to  Dora

I believe it was nepolean who said that history is written by the victors Dora and you are the result of their labors. This is the problem when people dont do their own independent research, they believe the narratives with blind faith. https://www.henrymakow.com/001071.html
Ill tell you something else about churchill too, he was supposed to send out a convoy from castletownbere to protet the lusitania after germany put in a warning stating that they would sink transatlantic ships without warning. Churchill cancelled it for the lusitania and the rest is history. There is also a lie that the americans entered the war partially because of the lusitania, that is a lie too. They entered the war because of the balfor declaration which was a deal negotiated between the british government who lost ww1 in 1917 and the kaiser asked britain to call it off directly but britain would not because they had promised the zionists israel in return for getting the usa into the war. You wont see that in your history books.

James Mcguinness
3 months ago
Reply to  Dora

I believe it was nepolean who said that history is written by the victors Dora and you are the result of their labors. This is the problem when people dont do their own independent research, they believe the narratives with blind faith. https://www.henrymakow.com/001071.html

Rupert Pollock
3 months ago

Aontu is in danger of losing votes to farmers alliance and independents.
They have worked hard and stand apart from the other crazy left leaning parties and especially through Covid, Paedar was a lone voice against covid restrictions.
Deserves better than 2 / 3 %, I hope for democracy they get 7 / 8 %.

RealIrish
3 months ago
Reply to  Rupert Pollock

“Aontu is in danger of losing votes to farmers alliance and independents”

Great news.

Someone else recently posted in the comments a link showing Peadar’s lobbying to bring Afghans into the country. Wouldn’t trust them at all. Only differ from SF on abortion, which is why they formed in the first place, if I remember correctly. SF are an open borders party.

Dr David Barnwell
3 months ago
Reply to  Rupert Pollock

Aontu. Or at least Toibin. Are Open Borders.
Sinn Fein with rosary beads.

Mr Andy Butler
3 months ago

On the button once again John!

John joseph McDermott
3 months ago

Good analysis. If the 45% who do not bother to vote turned out it might counter the strong public sector/ farmer vote which will always support their benefactors no matter what.
Bart Ahern was a genius in throwing enough money at certain sectors to keep them sweet and get over the line.Now the coalition are in repeat performance.

Flyingcow
3 months ago

Government? The Dail? Sure, you are joking! At best, a shower of clowns, a pathetic clown car posse…

Michael Collins
3 months ago

They’re not worried about the next election because they know enough people are still asleep to what is being done to us, our country and society that those people will still vote FFG.
And by the time of the following election, enough of these migrants and asylum seekers will have been stuffed into every constituency, given an amnesty for citizenship, passports and voting rights and will reward those parties which allowed them to stay.

David Stevenson
3 months ago

Trouble is, by the time of the ‘election after next’ it will be too late

Seamus Finlay
3 months ago

VOTE IRISH FREEDOM PARTY!
VOTE MICHAEL LEAHY (Ireland South)
VOTE HERMAN KELLY (West-Midlands)
VOTE DIARMAID Ó CONARÁIN (Dublin)
IF FFG WIN AGAIN, THERE IS NO COMING BACK FOR OUR COUNTRY
????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️????????❤️

Pat.Carr.
3 months ago

Why does every picture of Michael Martin look like he is walking around with his tail between his legs?

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Dr David Barnwell
3 months ago

Very inaccurate headline.
There has been no immigration debate in Ireland.
A debate means you give equal opportunity to both sides to express their views.
No such thing has ever happened in Ireland on this issue.

MMG
3 months ago

In the next election, voters CAN hold the Government accountable.

  1. If you have a TD in your constituency that served as a Minister, do not give that TD a single vote of any kind. Vote for the running mate instead.
  2. If your TD is a member of the Coalition, but has not been in Gov., review his or her record. Has the TD spoken out against the Gov policies that are hurting the country? Then vote for the TD if you like, but otherwise, no vote.

It is that easy.
Few Gov Ministers do not top the poll and/or get elected on the first count. They are very vulnerable to defeat if voter were to follow the above voting strategy.
And if a majority of Ministers failed to be re-elected, and multiple no-hope running mates elected instead, the message would be received very loudly and clearly.

Mary Reynolds
3 months ago
Reply to  MMG

Vote only for candidates who have a stated, which means written, anti-immigration policy in their election manifesto. Nobody else. We are beyond full. If they say they are anti-immigration or that they will fix our immigration problem if they get elected, but you do not see it written, they are only pulling your leg to get your vote. The political parties have got us into this terrible situation, the whole country rising up, protests everywhere. SF sided with the government on immigration, leaving us with no main party opposition. Given this chance, the government has gone wild flooding the country with their ‘refugees’. Vote for anti-immigration candidates only. Our only hope.

Pat.Carr.
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

I would say that any change by Fine Gael or Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein or the Social Dems would be purely done for the elections and they would be meaningless! Afterall, did they say what they were going to do before the last election?

MMG
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

Politicians make promises and lie. Do not believe their words, verbal OR written. Look at their past actions.
I say, do not vote for anyone going for re-election, but especially Ministers.
There is no other legitimate, non-violent way.
.
Sack them ALL. Elect an entirely new Dail. There could not be a clearer message.
.
So the new crop would be inexperienced? So what? How could they do any more damage than the current lot?

RealIrish
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

I’d include the need to review their history i.e. were they saying the opposite a few years ago and now are changing their tune as they realise they’re losing votes? Have to be careful of getting Meloni types i.e softening of their stance once elected.

The same poster you have replied to has posted a number of links today of newspaper articles about Pakistan deporting 1million+ illegals etc. We need a repeal of amnesties/grants of leave to remains where they should have been deported, stripping of citizenships and passports will be required also. Before any starts flapping, I’m not talking about deporting anyone who simply isn’t Irish. There are a great many who scammed their way in and were given citizenships and passports who should never have been allowed to stay. Every single case to be reviewed.

Mary Reynolds
3 months ago
Reply to  RealIrish

I’m talking about voting for independents and maybe fledgling anti-immigration parties. They must have a written anti-immigration policy in their manifesto and must show in detail how they will implement that policy. I must have explained myself badly, because in all my comments, I am fiercely against the current parties, all of them. But notice they are not changing their stance, all they are saying is they will manage immigration, which means they will keep it going strongly. I don’t give a flying eff what any of the parties say in their defence, nobody should vote for them, no matter what they say. They continue to flood us with their ‘refugees’. It is already wiping us out. The Afghans were marrying their child brides off, for the dowry to buy a bit to eat, after America pulled out. They badly need financial aid to help them in their own country but the world is against them because of the Taliban, and it’s the poor people who are suffering. Far better if Ireland gave money to this worthy cause, than madly spending it on fake refugees. The Afghans have had an awful hard time in their own country, many blows, they are no fakes. I have been following them since c1979. They badly need money. The deportees returning, that one item is vital. I hope reason prevails and they get it.

Realirish
3 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

Agree on choosing who to vote for.

Don’t know a great deal about Afghanistan. I do know there wasn’t a shot fired by the Afghan army when the Taliban walked into Kabul as the Americans were leaving. No guerilla resistance on the streets by the people. People are welcome to donate privately to the Afghans. There are many charities and Islamic Relief Orgs in Europe that collect money for Afghans, some run by Afghans themselves. It’s a funny old set-up as many of the Afghans here, their women anyway, walk around shrouded from head to toe. Never had a chance to talk to one of them. A friend did one day, when he was speaking with the husband of one, while out walking his dog along the river by the Mardyke. He was quickly and aggressively shut down when he tried to introduce himself at to her, and again later trying to include her in the conversation. He had to put yer man in his place and remind him as a visitor where he was and what our ways are

Peter Forde
3 months ago

Excellent article. It is something I’ve been saying to friends for some time. The next general election wont change anything as SF and any party they are likely to partner to form a government are just as much in favour of open door immigration as the present government are. The general election that will be due in 5 /6 years time is when sweeping changes will happen.

Michael Clarke
3 months ago

What the current and next Governments will have to worry about are the consequences of the mess they have made of immigration policy. The significance of the rising public concern is that it exposes that mess but the Government would be stuck with it even without public opinion letting them know. The Republic is (and has been since 1922) a corporate state (insiders stick together and share power, privileges, etc.) but even corporate states have to solve problems. (The State has, however, become much more corporatist in recent decades, which is why our problems are accumulating and why they are becoming more difficult to solve.) No doubt in five year’s time all the political parties (in our corporate, effectively a one party, state) will be singing off the same hymn sheet but it will be a different hymn. Public opinion will have played the role designated for them in a corporate/one party state – the canary in the coal mine. I don’t know why SF is described as a left-wing party (other than it operates through a system of democratic centralism). It is a party of the right, indeed far right, unlike the Irish Freedom Party, which is a conservative party. SF uses the language of the left but that is not unusual in parties of the far right. Not unusual at all. That is why the parties of the left in the Dail keep their distance from SF. I’ll be surprised if the left coalesces with SF after the next election, partly for the reason I have just expressed but mainly because the actual left is not interested in being in government. They just want to shout all the time. Government involves compromise, discipline and patience. Forget that!

RealIrish
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael Clarke

SF are not far right. A far right party would be completely against anything but a very restrictive immigration policy. A far right party is nationalist by definition and SF, while republican, cannot be described anymore as nationalist. We’re going to remove the government and main parties. Nothing they are willing to do will fix the mess we are in. And as for the mess we’re in, Irish people have seen nothing yet, but they’ve had a glimpse and so have begun waking up. Things are going to get much worse in the short to medium term. Neither FF or FG nor SF for that matter have the guts or the vision to do what needs to be done. As for FG, what needs to be done goes against their ideology. The way the media in other countries have tried to bury news doesn’t work in Ireland as we are a small country, still very much interconnected in comparison. If something happens in Castlebar but the newspapers try to bury it, people in Clonality will still find out about it. News is spreading like wildfire now. Irish living on the other side of the world are hearing about stuff before it even makes the news. Anyway, it’s not about left/right. This is another foreign imported concept. What we have in planned will include policies that would be considered left or even far left, but they are Irish First policies.

Charles Foster Kane
3 months ago

You have to hand it to Martin. Though he looks really tired and pissed off, he’s still reaching deep for his “I reeeeally give a shit” look. It must be tough with all the extra-curricular activities he no doubt has to perform for his Masters.

Last edited 3 months ago by Charles Foster Kane

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