The Algerian national who is the main suspect in the horrific school stabbing that saw three children and a carer injured was arrested earlier this year for possession of a knife, the Irish Daily Mail has reported.
The main suspect in the quadruple stabbing of four people including three children was arrested in May of this year for possession of a knife as well as criminal damage to a car. More in tomorrow’s Irish Daily Mail.
— Garreth MacNamee (@garmacnamee) November 25, 2023
The paper reported that the man “had come to Garda attention several times in the past year” and that he had been taken to court on charges but not convicted “due to a mental health report” that was produced in court.
The Irish Mirror reports that: “He appeared in Dublin District Court at the city’s CCJ in May. The judge in the case heard all the evidence, but made no order. That means the suspect was not convicted of any offence. A no-order decision is usually made when a judge rules that there was a significant mental health aspect to the case.”
The Algerian suspect is believed to have been living in hostel accommodation provided by Dublin City Council. He is also believed to have come to Ireland almost two decades ago, and have taken Irish citizenship a decade ago.
The stabbing at the Parnell East Gaelscoil has shocked the nation. One child is still in a critical condition in hospital while another child and a carer who was stabbed while intervening to save the children were also seriously injured.
On Thursday, Commissioner Drew Harris has said that he would not rule out a potential terrorist motive.
“I have never ruled out any possible motive for this attack… all lines of inquiry are open to determine the motive for this attack,” he said.
The suspect is in hospital under armed guard and the Gardaí are not looking for any other persons in relation to the incident.
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They are quick to use terms like far right but not so fast to say terrorist, so he was mentally ill etc. The Garda love giving out penalty notices etc. but a guy with a big knife from Algeria, that’s ok.
We are focused on it because Algeria is a Muslim country. Predominantly Muslim countries with totalitarian governments do not see the world the way Westerners do or embrace our freedom or culture. The issue with many of these “refugees” or migrants is they will never adjust or accept our way of life. The progressives in the West erroneously assume everyone across the world shares our values which is not the case.
And the amazing thing about these self designated ‘progressives’ and their belief that everybody in the rest of the world is just like us is that they are displaying their total ignorance of the rest of the world. Clearly they know nothing about the middle East or Africa.
There are vast numbers of people coming from African countries, claiming to be asylum seekers when they are really economic migrants, and the ‘progressives’ in the west just assume that because it’s Africa they must be coming from some war torn hell hole. That is arguably a form of racism because of the ignorance it displays about the variation of the quality of life in different African countries.
That’s a major pet hate for Africans – when westerners assume every country is at war or in a state of famine.
Do you know how many Irish economic migrants there are living across the world? It’s hundreds of times the number here. We take pride when we hear they built the US/UK/Australia. But we scorn people coming here to work. And ironically, we couldn’t survive without economic migrants cause our own thugs would rather take welfare and housing for generations than work for an equivalent wage. Not to say there are not any sponging refugees, but there are far far more sponging Irish.
I think the figure of Irish abroad is around 300k, open to correction, but it’s not a million or close. Foreign-born Irish population is 20% of Republic’s over 5 mill.
“And ironically, we couldn’t survive without economic migrants cause our own thugs would rather take welfare and housing for generations than work for an equivalent wage
Not to say there are not any sponging refugees, but there are far far more sponging Irish.*
Originally I was joking when I said you were an ‘anti-irish Rascist’ but now I’m thinking it might be true.
If people made sweeping generalisations about any nationality having large amounts of ‘thugs’ and ‘spongers’ you would be up in arms about how rascist they are but you are perfectly comfortable describing Irish people with such negative language.
Where is your evidence that there are far more Irish ‘spongers’ than migrant ‘spongers’. How could you possibly know that ??
Even your assertion that the Irish couldn’t survive without economic migrants is demonising. It implies the Irish can’t survive without large numbers of foreigners to assist them. Also it’s patent nonsense because the number of migrants coming into Ireland was very low throughout history up until about 30 years ago.
Also there are not hundreds of times as many Irish migrants across the world than the number of foreign migrants in Ireland. Again with the factual errors….
Was the Algerian born man working in Ireland. No he wasn’t. He was living in a hostel paid for by me and my working colleagues. Fact
It’s relevant that the person in custody is Algerian because it calls into question the vetting process for immigrant applications. The first purpose of government is the security of its people. Therefore, it is imperative that every person coming from a different country into Ireland has their background scrutinized extensively. Specifically a criminal background check is essential. As far as I’m concerned any major criminal convictions should be an immediate block and there person’s application declined. Furthermore, people should be allowed in based on their qualifications and work experience. An extensive CV with top qualifications should be considered for entry. A person with little work experience or limited qualifications should be immediately rejected entry to the country.
All perfectly reasonable and sensible. All ludicrously depicted as far right ideas by people who have never read a history book
That’s not how the law works. Not in any country on the planet. Do you know how many uneducated Irish are living in the US? Many of them without any papers? Millions.
Is that zimbabwean-dollar millions ?
That made me giggle.
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That’s exactly how the law works in the majority of countries in the world. The exceptions are Europe and the USA. It was also pretty much how the law worked for centuries up until about 30 years ago when governments began to lower the threshold for legal immigration and now over the last five years there’s been a bizarre acceptance of illegal immigration across Europe by multiple governments and they have turned a blind eye to this illegal immigration without consulting their respective electorates.
It’s relevant because the racist riots and looting that disgraced our country were kicked off by a call to arms from racists on social media based on a false claim by Gript around 3pm that the perpetrator was an Algerian immigrant. He’s not Algerian. He is an Irish man, end of story.
International media said he was Algerian, first to do so, which then created a problem for RTE and the government’s fact-filters.
My mother was born and raised in Scotland. She’s lived in Ireland for 30 years and has an Irish passport.
If you insist on calling her Irish she’d clip you round the ear and force you to accept she’s Scottish!!
Fact!
Firstly why are you on this site if you deem it to be racist. Secondly its a great excuse to use the term citizen when we all know the vetting for these people is a shambles so to use Irish citizen as an excuse for a Algerian thug living in Ireland trying to murder children. What has happened to this wonderful country. Awash with extremists its become unsafe
He’s an Irish citizen and an Algerian citizen.
You need to learn the difference between ethnicity and citizenship.
A professional person, say a doctor, is easy to vet and have his qualifications authenticated. Other than that, it’s very hard to do vetting as passport may be fake. It’s hard to find out criminal background. Nobody is going to rock up and say, ‘I killed a man’. The intention will be to conceal crime and that kind of person will more than likely have a fake passport. Take the case of Mr Dude now in jail. He even had false vetting clearance. Gardaí unable to know where he is from. A lot of work is obviously going into scamming and beating the system. ‘An extensive CV’ means nothing.
An extensive CV means exactly what it means
A solution might be to only allow immigrants from nations where a diplomatic agreement has been made to share criminal records between the jurisdictions.
And stop, entirely, migration from jihadist-dominated cultures.
Good idea
I hope you are being ironic.
Can’t you just wait until we hear , as we hope and pray we will, that the little 5 year old girl is out of danger before using this horrible event as a vehicle to wind everybody up and get under everybody’s skin. I assume this is what you are doing. It’s not a time to be trying to get your kicks and have a bit of fun by seeing how many people you can and draw irritated comments from with your needling . Have a bit of decency.
What’s the difference you eejit Eamonn. It makes no difference the act and intention was such to cause death or harm. Wake up will you. What are you talking about. I hope she makes it but either way the intention was there eejit.
Keith , I was responding to what I assumed to be a trolling comment asserting that the suspect is Irish because allegedly he has acquired citizenship . I don’t think the people making these comments can seriously believe that even if he did acquire citizenship it negates his original nationality. I think they are making that assertion to get a rise out of everyone for the fun of it . And I was just making the point that maybe now is not the time for them to be making a bit of fun for themselves out of this horrible crime while the poor little girl is still fighting for her life.
I think you misunderstood me.
There is plenty of other things they can troll about if that is what floats their boat. But they should not use this issue to get their kicks. Nearly everyone who comments here is speaking from the heart and expressing genuine shock , anger and disgust. And then you get a few hard left trolls trying to twist the facts just to be provocative . It is vulgar and in poor taste . The problem with some of these hard leftists is that nothing is sacred.
Quran 47 “When you encounter those who disbelieve, strike at their necks” Even if they’re 5 years old
This is False the true is ( whoever kill any soul without right as he killed all mankind) . This guy has mental health why u don’t accept the truth
How do you know he has ‘mental health’ issues ? Has a psychiatric assessment of this man been released to the public?
The media said the Garda were speculating he may have a mental illness. Nobody has confirmed that is definitely the case.
( whoever kill any soul without right as he killed all mankind) .
Ah, the famous Surah 32 copied almost from the Talmud, Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:9; Yerushalmi Talmud,
“Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world
Here is the next Surah, Surah 33 that might help put your quote in context.
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter
Why do you lie?
Quran Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:32 is trotted out after every atrocity from the followers of Islam.
This verse is followed by Quran Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Not quite the peaceful Quranic verse when viewed in context is it? Also the fact that earlier “peaceful” verses are abrogated by the later “violent” verses where there is a contradiction.
Islam has again twisted, corrupted and plagiarised Jewish scripture. The original is Talmud Sanhedrin 37a 13 https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.37a.13?lang=bi
Thank you James for pointing out the truth about the evil of Islam.
” whoever kill any soul without right as he killed all mankind” – That verse doesn’t apply to non-Muslims. Islam considers non-believers to be worse than animals. Infidels are not considered humans,
Mental health is irrelevant. If danger to the public you can’t be in the public
you still have not identifyed the suspect
does he have a fake passport birth certificate and i d ?
More than likely.
I actually think the guards done there job and have much improved in recent years.the problem is with our judicial system and lenient sentences. It takes the guards months/years to gather evidence and build a case to have a judge giving 3 month sentences.They say prisons are full but my answer to that is the prison is never full just pack them in tighter as it shouldn’t be a holiday camp
First it was Aisling Murphy now its school children who next….wake up people of ireland it could be you or someone you know (friends or family).
First is was the men in Sligo who were decapitated!
He’s an Irish citizen. Algeria doesn’t not allow dual citizenship so he denounced his Algerian citizenship when he was granted Irish citizenship. And that’s a long time ago. So he is not Algerian. He is not an immigrant. He’s a citizen. He is Irish plain and simple. That’s the law. Any arguments or claims that he is Algerian are based on a racist need to misappropriate the perpetrator as foreign. Last week another Irish man killed his wife before killing himself. But there were no riots. Not even women rioting. Because he was a white man.
You can use any mental gymnastics you want. This man is Algerian no matter what a peice of paper says. Stop trying to divert blame to an Irish man. The amount of serious crimes against women and children in Ireland is getting ridiculous and its well you know it and who’s commiting these crimes. Most of the time the gards can’t even confirm there I.D. or nationality.
It’s mental gymnastics to keep referring to an Irish perpetrator as an Algerian national. It’s worldwide accepted law that your citizenship defines your nationality. You and your racist gript chums are the ones bending the truth to suit your narrative. The perpetrator is just as Irish as you, Ben Scallion and John McGuirk. I know that sucks and annoys you, but that’s pure fact.
Jesus wept it is not rascist to describe somebody who was born and raised in Algeria as ‘Algerian’.
By that logic if moved to America and acquired citizenship a few years later people would be rascist for referring to me as an Irishman.
That would be absurd.
What is it with so many people like yourself who are so obsessed with race and rascism that you are determined to redefine the meaning of the word up to the point where calling somebody Algerian because they were born and raised in Algeria who acquired Irish citizenship at a later date is to be a rascist comment.
Your argument is beyond ludicrous. It’s almost verging on an abuse of the English language because the definitions of words are being changed to fit a political ideology.
If you moved to America, became an American citizen, lived there 20 years and then went nuts and attacked kids at a school, if people said “Irish man attacks …”. Yes that would be racists. It would be reported as “New York man attacks…”. Also, Ireland and USA allow dual citizenship, Algeria does not. So he denounced his Algerian nationality. He is Irish and nothing but Irish. Born in Algeria.
No, it would be accurate. It’s how Irish media describes Irish people who are US citizens all the time.
As Irish.
Exactly. If an Irishman with US citizenship stabbed several children in a random attack the Irish media would report on it and wouldn’t hesitate to describe the criminal as Irish. By the logic of ‘griptareracists’ that would make the Irish media anti-Irish Rascists for reporting that the man was Irish!!
I’m starting to think this troll is an anti-Irish rascist, lol
Wrong again.
If 23andMe did gene testing – would he have 100% European results or mostly North African?
Nationality is determined by your place of birth and remains with you for life. It can never be changed. Citizenship is legal and requires an application. It can also be revoked. In the UK it can be revoked, even if it leaves you stateless. I don’t know about Ireland in that regard.
I’ve been trying to get what you said through to this troll ‘griptarerascist’ but it’s falling on death ears.
He doesn’t grasp distinctions about different forms of nationality be it ethnic nationality or legal nationality etc.
He’s probably one of those people who has very little sense patriotism and so can’t conceive of nationality as anything other than the legal right to work and vote in a particular jurisdiction.
Well said ????
You can remove the man from Algeria but you cannot remove the Algerian out of the man. Sigmund Einstein ????
Wrong.
What planet are you on. If you are not born or raised or schooled or spend the first 20 odd years of your life in ireland with irish parents and irish birth cert then how can you be as Irish as some one with all the above. If I’m racist for hating this animal for what he has done then so be it but you are the one with an agenda here. Talk to me when it’s one of yours in intensive care clinging to life by a thread.
Keep taking the pills. With a statement like that you obviously need them.
If you were born in Ireland you are irish if you were born in England you are English if you were born in Spain you are Spanish. Do you see where this is going.
You are the only one who mentioned skin colour. Not only did you mention skin colour but you did so in a pejorative way. Pure hate speech.
A piece of paper doesn’t make you Irish
It literally does! They have ceremonies for it every year.
I think part of the problem here is several things. Firstly, you seem to belief your opinions are factual. This despite the reality that you have made several factually inaccurate statements at this stage. My description of how immigration should work is an accurate representation of how the immigration system works across most countries in the world. You erroneously told me that’s not how immigration law works in any country. If you are going to be self assured about your opinions being literal and factual then you would do yourself a service if you did not make factually inaccurate statements. Elsewhere you claimed there are Millions of illegal and poorly educated Irish migrants in the USA! That is not true.
You think a piece of paper ‘literally’ makes a person Irish. Again the use of the word literal indicates you think your opinions are factual.
Obviously citizenship is bestowed on people in ceremonies and thereafter they have the same legal rights as the people born in Ireland.
What you are saying is that people should not have a deeper understanding of what it means to be Irish. That there is meaning to being Irish beyond legalities and whether somebody has a green passport. In the minds of many people we see that the ceremony where citizenship is bestowed on people born abroad is the beginning of the process where the person will become Irish and not the end of the process. We are entitled to view it through that lens regardless of the intricate details of the law. (And no law bars people from having a more detailed understanding of what our nationality is beyond a piece of paper).
Excellent comment.
By the way , another thing he is forgetting when he pontificates about the law is that there is one huge difference in law between an Irish Citizen by birth and an Irish citizen by naturalisation. A person who acquired citizenship by naturalisation can have their citizenship revoked (certain criminal acts would warrant this) whereas a citizen by birth can not.
So the Irishness of the attacker is not as absolute as he says (so emphatically) it is.
Thanks.
There’s a dangerous ideology that has developed a cross western countries that sees the nation as inherently bad and must be undone.
However the people who believe In this stuff have very weak arguments.
And that’s why in the long run we will be able to overcome these people.
Doesn’t change the fact that the perpetrator is not an Algerian national. He’s an Irish national.
Not true. Citizenship and nationality are 2 different terms.
-an American
You’re a troll!
If I am born in Ireland, I am more than an Irish citizen. I am an Irish national which is my birthright and it can never be revoked. Your country of birth is your nationality and it remains with you for life. Citizenship has to be applied for and is a legal process and unlike nationality, it can be revoked.
You can remove the Algerian man from Algeria but you cannot remove the Algerian from the Algerian man. Sigmund Einstein ????
Which make a person a citizen of Ireland. Ethnic Irish they are not.
He’s not an Algerian national as gript keep repeating. He’s an Irish national.
If he shouted something in Arabic (often used by terrorist like on 911) while going all stabby then i’d argue his national interest is not with Ireland.
It only makes you an Irish citizen, which can be revoked.
Well those pieces of paper can be taken back if you fuck up. If you come here you should respect the country, the people, the flag, the laws and our main religion especially religious holidays. Otherwise fuck off to another country who gives a shit.
At first, they came for the working class…………………
Might be so but the muslim ideology and extremism and hatred for the West way of life remains fully in tact. Yes many Muslims are peaceful and love life and tolerate others. The only reason those that hate the Christian west come to live here is free, free food, free accommodation free housing free money free transport free speech ext ext. Contradiction or not. Its like someone who hates the English yet they support an English football club.
Free medical card which includes GP, medicines and hospital, free education including masters, free legal aid and the best of all, free social welfare for life. They will never ask him to work. And if he has children many more benefits again.
Thats all you can say is racist. How pathetic you are. Quick to use the racist card. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and grow a pair like many good black people who I am friends with will tell you the same. Grow up and get a Grip……
He was issued with a deportation order years ago but appealed and won and was eventually granted Irish citizenship.
It would be interesting to know why he was issued a deportation order
Leo Varadkar has on two occasions issued ‘amnesties’ for people who had been refused permission to stay in Ireland, had stayed beyond the terms of their student or other visas.
If this algerian jihadist was one of those who availed of these schemes, Varadkar most certainly is part-culpable for this stabbing of children.
Having the luck of a successful appeal of his deportation order and given Irish citizenship, were the two worst things that could happen. Look at where he is now.
English is the first language of Ireland. He speaks Arabic and French and since he came to Ireland he now has English as his third language. Algerians usually go to France, as being French speaking, it is easier than Ireland for them but France, never open like Ireland, is tightening up on immigration. The % of people in France born in a foreign country was 10.3% in 2021 (INSEE). In Ireland the % of people born in a foreign country was 20% in 2022. With all the ex-colonies from West Africa one would expect France to have a far higher % than Ireland. That’s not the case. The French have great respect for their country, language and culture but all rolled in across open borders in Ireland. If we could start deportations and get our levels down to French levels it would be a good start.
Interesting fact, as I am french but didnt know about them.
I would say that France is even in a situation that a good chunk of French now complain about people born in France from foreign parent, even after 2 generations. They called them “French by paper” when they are involved in crime, so to be honest, all that talk about if the attacker is algerian or irish wont matter in many year as I see Ireland following the same path than France.
Anyway, I am trying to understand whats going on in Ireland as I am familiar with migration movement and history in France but I cant figure out something : I live in Dublin city center and I noticed this past couple of years more and more people speaking arabic on the street and a type of arabic language that I understand so I can assume those people are from north africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia). They dont look like to have a job as they hang out all day in cafe.
I was born in France but from moroccan family, I have french citizenship. Sometimes they try to approach me to get some help or information or just to get to know someone like them.
Its not easy to get to France so I am surprised about how they get here in Ireland? Can someone explain me? Thanks
Thousands have arrived this year from the boat crossings to Italy, Greece and Malta, as a result of Leo Varadkar signing Ireland up to a voluntary migrant redistribution scheme (these were flown in surreptitiously). Others arrived illegally on forged papers, through traffickers, etc..
It happened quickly, but there is now a huge backlash against it, it is not likely to don’t continue.
I agree, deport all non essentials. A lot of Europeans come here as freeloaders. Sucking all the taxes paid by the working class. Very easy to profile them, they get social welfare and live in government provided hotels.
Nobody rioted because he was an Irishman in his own country. The other man is a non-national.
At least per the Dual Citizen Report you can have dual citizenship in Algeria. In any case, it’a bit facile to say he’s Irish, and imply that is all that can be mentioned, and further imply it shouldn’t be reported that he immigrated to Ireland from Algerian born.
As ann outside observer, it appears to me that the Irish media and authorities are the ones doing gymnastics in not openly sharing details on the suspect in this case. Is there a possible political motivation? Further, there is almost no reporting on the suspect or the victims. Look at RTE’s coverage. And no discussion of the social context surrounding the riots like growing discontent and disenfranchisement with government policy, . The NY Times ran such an article last week. I find the Irish media coverage to be very odd and a bit contrived, and it frankly makes me suspicious that they are unwilling to share newsworthy information regarding the same as it may be at odds with their ideological perspectives.it’s this potential pattern where the liberal elites control what the non-elites iare allowed to know and contemplate to be quite offensive.
When I was growing up there was none of the shit that is happening to this country now. The Gardai had more respect. There was little or no hate/knife crime.
Only when these foreigners started coming in did this start. I know you can’t blame them all only a certain minority but it gives the others a bad name. Personally I don’t mind those coming here to make better lives for themselves and their families…sure we did too when irish men and women emigrated.
Irish people emigrated from a small island to large land masses, USA, Canada, Australia, NZ. The Irish were never going to swamp these countries. That’s the difference. The masses coming in will swamp us. The Irish got no help. They went to work. Many are coming here for the massive state benefits and are only freeloaders, who get priority and pass the Irish waiting on the housing lists. Africa alone has 1.4 billion people. All can come here. All welcome. This is destroying our country. We must close our borders and deport to get our levels of immigrants down. Other European countries trying to keep out the illegals. Ireland is inviting them in.
I’m a naturalised USA citizen but I’m Irish too, your nationality is more than a piece of paper, I will always be Irish. nobody is going to say to me ‘You’re not Irish’ I was born in Ireland and raised there with Irish culture and values.