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Post-rout clarity: The FFers and FGers re-thinking their life choices

Serial adulterers who describe themselves as sex addicts often speak of a crippling sense of shame and guilt that follows when they give into their compulsions. All lust and desire expended, they find themselves left clear eyed and filled with regret, the temporary high gone, and replaced with a deep sense of self-loathing about the betrayal of their partner. Reading such an account over the weekend made me realise the striking similarities of that emotion with what many of our politicians appear to be experiencing in recent days: A sudden and dramatic sense of shame, embarrassment, and guilt at having stepped out on the voters, and an apparent need to join a support circle and talk it all out. Call it “post-rout clarity”.

One of the oddities of Irish politics is that it’s often the greatest and most consistent vote-getters who are most consistently mocked (admittedly with occasional good humour) in the media and by other politicians: Think of the Healy Raes (father and sons); Michael Lowry; Michael Collins; and in this instance, Willie O’Dea. These are all politicians who, whether you approve of them or not, are perennial poll-toppers when elections are held. You don’t achieve that kind of record without being deeply in touch with the views of your constituents, and well-regarded amongst them for representing those views. When Willie O’Dea speaks, then, his party would be well-advised to listen:

O’Dea’s sentiments were echoed yesterday by other politicians with a long track-record of success. Speaking to my colleague Ben Scallan, Fine Gael’s Charlie Flanagan (nobody’s idea of a conservative, it should be said) echoed the sentiment, telling him that the party was in “cloud cuckoo land” if it believed analysis given to Alison O’Connor of the Sunday Times by a senior Fine Gaeler which claimed that the hated “far right” was to blame for Saturday’s defeat. He expressed agreement with another Fine Gaeler, Peter Burke TD, about NGO funding.

Fianna Fáil’s youngest TD, James O’Connor, weighed in behind one of its most senior, declaring that he “couldn’t agree more” with Willie O’Dea.

When I described this, on social media, as significant, one correspondent – doused in cynicism – claimed that the TDs in question were “only trying to save their seats”. Yes.

That, my friend, is the whole point.

The most important thing to understand about Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael’s drift towards the progressive left in recent decades is that it is not primarily, and never has been, a matter of principle. If you want evidence of that, look no further than the 2018 referendum on abortion. The leaders of that campaign – Simon Harris, Leo Varadkar, Micheál Martin – all had one thing in common, that being that they had flipped their position one hundred and eighty degrees. As recently as the 2011 general election, for example, Minister Harris had signed the electoral pledge of the pro-life campaign, promising solemnly to defend the then-pro-life character of the Irish constitution.

There are precisely two possible explanations for their collective u-turn: The first is that these three – and many other people like them in their parties – all went on the same intellectual “journey” at the same time, considered all of the philosophical implications of one of humanity’s most vexed moral questions – and all arrived within a few months at the identical conclusion. The second is that they sensed the winds change in the electorate, and said “there go our people, let us lead them”. I respectfully submit that you’d have to be very gullible to think that these people were ever sincerely of either fixed view on abortion – either in 2011 or in 2018 – and that their damascene conversions were first and last matters of political opportunism.

This has always been the great weakness, and probably the only weakness, in the otherwise impenetrable institutional armour of progressive Ireland. The Universities are controlled. The media is instinctively sympathetic. The NGO sector is entirely of one mind. The problem has always been that FF and FG have been coming along for the ride because that’s where they believed the votes to be, not because – outside of a few exceptions – social progressivism is the deeply felt conviction of their leaders.

The problem for FF and FG, by contrast, has always been a simple one: Progressives are not stupid. They know, as much as I do, that FF and FG are not with them in heart and soul, but purely in terms of what they can get out of it. This has always been the reason that Mr. Martin and Mr. Varadkar, no matter how hard they sold themselves as new modern men to the Lena-Dunham-appreciating masses of South Dublin, have never been able to close the deal. Poor Micheál and Leo can talk about white privilege and embrace pronoun inclusivity all they want – Sadbh from Monkstown is still voting Social Democrat and recommending that everyone in her book club does the same.

It is this clarity that Willie O’Dea, and others, are now experiencing. The referendums at the weekend were just the latest in a series of indications that their traditional base – the people who actually vote for them – are not buying what Sadbh, god love her, is selling. They’re not crying out for constitutional tinkering, or drop-down pronoun menus with 78 options on state websites, or Government action on giving a guaranteed income to the Arts community. They’re concerned about crime, taxes, health, housing, and immigration.

The bottom line is that some of these TDs have spent just about enough time in bed with the NGO sector, and the progressives. The frenetic action is over now, and all they’re left with is the mess, and the shame, and the sense that they’ve betrayed the people they were actually married to.

We should welcome the post-rout clarity while it lasts. The trouble, as the above mentioned addicts will tell you, is that it very rarely does.

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Cal
2 months ago

Too little to late. These ‘brave foot soldiers’ didn’t break rank in time.
Election in sight, referendum even has Sinn Feins Matt Mccarthy pulling a U turn on Mary Loos promise of a referendum.
Keep Enoch Burke locked up. Turn a blind eye to the decapitation of a woman, and when the country is invaded by tens of thousands of people – break ranks.

Sad situation.

A Call for Honesty
2 months ago

And what about media people like Shane Coleman who stated that
“There’s loads of reasons why the referendum was defeated. . . . I think the main thing would be people didn’t actually understand what they’ll be voting for and said, ‘If you don’t understand, vote no.’”

Really? Did he actually speak to a cross section of “no” voters to find out their reason for voting this way? I doubt it. I think he is being as disingenuous as many of our politicians. That is why he supports a hate speech bill. But as someone commented hate speech is best defined as speech that a politician hates.

Cal
2 months ago

I voted no to protect my rights as as mother, wife and supreme ultimate force in my children’s lives.
I voted no to protect the fabric of the family stability I, and the people who went before me – worked and fought for.

I voted no for common sense to be restored. I hope there will be a push back against the hate speech Bill and that push back comes from within the political establishment.

James Gough
2 months ago

People understood it perfectly. They understood the chaos that it would cause to succession rights. They understood that Mohamed plus his four wives and twenty children Would get an absolute right to live as dependents of the state with four houses provided for them. They understood that the flimsy constitution protection enjoyed by mothers would be removed. O we understood all right. It’s the sinister propagandist in the media who are either didn’t understand what the references were asking or far more likely the did understand and chose to lie

Frank McGlynn
2 months ago

Isn’t Shane Coleman the journalist who said on radio that women are superior to men. The arrogance of these to now tell us that we didn’t know what we were voting against.

BorisPastaBuck
1 month ago

Shane Coleman – 2024 – lobs around bags of ideological nonsense – Societal value – Nil ; Shane the coalman – circa 1970s – lobs around bags of anthracite that fuel nice, cozy fires – Societal value – High !!!

Godflesh
2 months ago

Fianna fail has ruined this little country. Willie o dea is part of the problem. Don’t give these low end pieces of thrash a second thought.

Daniel BUCKLEY
2 months ago
Reply to  Godflesh

FF/FG/ and the Fake Opposition have betrayed and brought destruction on the Nation.
They can never be allowed near rhe reins of Power again. to wreak havoc. They are petty people whio have abused their Power and will do so again if allowed.
.They have polluted all our State Institutions with their fellow travellers in the various areas of the Civil Service Gardai,Judiciary,Media.,NGO;s
When you control the Power you control the purse and FG/FF bought compliance and cooperation amongs the weasels of their Administration.
Wh have won a battle with the 2 Referendum results ,and awakened the giants of Mna na hEireann,but the war is still to be fought and won and the Enemy still holds the reins of Power,altho diminished.
We are the People,the Constitution of our Republic is our Protection against the fools knaves, charlatans,and opporunistss we foolishly elected to reprresent our interests.
Destruction of the Constitution has alway been their primary target on their road to Tyranny.
They blatantly failed to represent our interest ,safety ,security and well being,treating us as second class citizens in our Homeland and favoring invaders from across the planet .
They mean us harm and must be removed and their fellow travellers with them,if we are to survive. Prepare for the Local and European ealections in June and vote ONLY Independents or the nationialist Parties of Irish Freedom, National, ,Ireland First or Independents,’
We have the numbers as our greatest asset ,use them and Vote for freedom from Tyrants and despots

James Gough
2 months ago
Reply to  Daniel BUCKLEY

Very well said

Sick_of_Lies!
2 months ago
Reply to  Daniel BUCKLEY

The Uni-Party!

Frank F
1 month ago
Reply to  Daniel BUCKLEY

Brilliant – here here.

HopefulDetermined
2 months ago

Once they start saying all the right things, I fear, despite our better judgement, we’ll start to believe them all over again that this time they really mean it

Laura Crowley
2 months ago

Willie is right , it’s high time the grassroots of FF & FG ousted the rot at the top , rejected the nonsense & woke noise & took the party back to centre right of sensible pragmatic politics . That’s the kind of politics that people that vote for these parties want to see. If the grassroots can’t get this kind of change over the line , form a new party with these kinds of policies or join the independents , you would romp home at the elections.

I think there is still a fear out there that a shift to the right or pragmatism means that we are going to row back on previous liberal gains in the areas of personal freedom. I think it’s important to stress that this isn’t the case . On the contrary , we want to stop those that claim to be liberals but actually seek to gag us through hate speech laws , preside over a cancel culture & seek to erase women Completely & expose children to all sorts of inappropriate material under the guise of progression or liberalism. They also seek to overwhelm us with illegal immigrants from violent & oppressive culture. We must stand together & reject this. However that also means giving assurances that we are not going backwards .

Irish Indo journalist Sarah Carey has a good point on the tonight show last night , calling out FFG over the citizens assembly , she reminded them that we already have a citizens assembly i.e. the dail !!!!!
We must come together to get rid of the cartel of anti Irish NGO’s , media & the citizens assembly.

Timothy Dennehy
2 months ago
Reply to  Laura Crowley

They lie to your face.Non of the main parties can be trusted……..if you don,t punish them they will continue to abuse their power and you.The Irish people are in a dysfunctional relationship. Walk,vote,out.

Laura Crowley
2 months ago

I know politicians are liars , if anything those we now see backtracking & squirming since the results, come across as having less integrity than the staunch rot at the top. However , I don’t care once their policies change for the best interests of the county.

My own plan for the European elections is to vote Aontú or Irish freedom party irregardless of what FF or FG do in the interim. What’s coming out of the EU under the existing mainstream parties is criminal & I’d love to see a few fresh individual go there & make a bit of noise at least ! I think most people still see the Irish freedom party as too far right so if they want to make headway , they’ll have to rectify this & bring people with them.
As for how I’ll vote in a general election , well let’s reward those who stood up to the cartel first & foremost but that said If we see serious ACTIONS between now & the general election on illegal immigration , defunding NGO’s , the MSM & cancelling hate speech laws etc then let’s see, the independents & Aontú might need help from a bigger party.

Mary Reynolds
2 months ago
Reply to  Laura Crowley

And for those in Donegal, there’s Niall McConnell, of Síol na hÉireann. He is very active and has been working hard on his campaign against the plantation of Donegal. Printed his own NO NO referendum campaign leaflets. He is running in East Donegal for the local elections and representing all Donegal in the general elections. His analysis is well worth listening to.

Last edited 2 months ago by Mary Reynolds
Frank F
1 month ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

Niall is a good lad (don’t personally know him) – Trojan worker – he brought my attention to the situation up North (I’m down South) but I chipped in to the fund he had.
He’s on his tod up North and depends on contributions – I’d encourage anyone to dig into their pocket for this genuine person.

Sick_of_Lies!
2 months ago
Reply to  Laura Crowley

This is waiting for a bunch of cowards and traitors to take action. The Uni-Party must not only hate their country, but their families, their children and even their grandchildren too!

Frank F
1 month ago
Reply to  Laura Crowley

The problem with what you’re saying is that a lot of those party’s grassroots are already tainted and they went along with directions from the top.
Further up the line (say elected TDs) can’t get their snouts further into the troff fast enough to get the pension(s) and have no genuine interests in the people of Ireland.
No, I believe this Country needs is a new fully committed internally monitored Nationalist party that puts people first at dramatically reduced salaries and a dramatically reduced pension at pension age (65).
That’ll weed out the true Irish politician.

Jo Blog
2 months ago

The TDs don’t face re-election until at least the end of the year (and given the result at the weekend probably beyond that)

This is more a signal of how the explosion of the referendum result is being felt within the parties. Especially within FF.

I think the audience for these remarks isn’t the voting public – it’s playing to internal dissent.

The govt, permanent govt and NGOs lost narrative control over the public at the time of the stabbing and the riots.

The internal narrative is showing signs of fracturing now.

Happy days.

David Sheridan
2 months ago

Well said John. My opinion is that it couldn’t have happened to nicer people….

love ireland
2 months ago

you can only bang on the same drum so many times before the people get tired of it

Sick_of_Lies!
2 months ago
Reply to  love ireland

Easter is only two weeks away! Are we really going to allow traitors to pretend that they are celebrating the Irish Easter of 1916, with our eyes wide shut?
Easter has always been the time of year, when the Irish showed their nationality!

Last edited 2 months ago by Sick_of_Lies!
James Mcguinness
2 months ago

How will freemason martin progress with his neo-cons if he does not hang 5m people. Wont happen, traitors never stop traitoring when their own god money is concerned.

tammy
2 months ago

While useless idiots at ngo.s are very well paid for being gobshites,I look at my utility bills and see the VAT and Carbon taxes and cringe and cry. I am paying for rich elites who are worthless and couldn.t get a job washing floors except that they know the right people. I am sick and tired of scammers both Irish and foreign playing us for amadans. Our politicians are perfect examples of Putting a beggar on horseback and he rides to Hell. They will not be happy until they bring us to the brink and they can look down on us.

James Gough
2 months ago

There is another explanation. They have been compromised by money, sex, power or all three. They all now serve the world economic forum not the electorate. Kick the c–ts again in the June elections. Kick them yet again when the have to hold a general election. Keep on kicking them untill they are completely driven out of Irish politics.

Dermot Ellard
2 months ago

Have G’ment TDs finally opted for hari kari❓🥵 We all enjoy a good scrap Saturday or any day of the week, from the side lines of course. A GE is now an absolute must for the Nation. Clean away the flotsum & jetsum and restore the ship of State. We are in a dire place and it’s not going to get better. The rats are deserting the sinking ship. FF, FG, GP in the name of God….. “GO”.

Frank McGlynn
2 months ago
Reply to  Dermot Ellard

I would rather delay the general election until there is a real alternative in place. Sinn Fein are definitely not a better alternative.

Lorcan
2 months ago

Our Dail has been infiltrated by Masons and the Klaus Schwab cabal. We know Varadar is a “Young Global Leader”, Mariad McGuinness, Sean Kelly, etc. are useful assets to George Soros. The Willie O’Dea’s and Flanagan’s of this world are fence sitters. They allow their party to be destroyed and they allow our country to be destroyed. Kick the lot of them ourt of office. Vote every sitting TD. Every sitting Senator, Every sitting Councillor out of office.
Listening to them in the aftermath they are so arrogant as to attempt to argue “they didn’t get the message through to the thick Irish voter”. GET THEM OUT. CLOSE DOWN RTE AND THE THREE JEW CHANNELS

Sick_of_Lies!
2 months ago

One thing about Michael Martin, he never gets ruffled hair!

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