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Political newbies, and Ireland’s rigged electoral system

The Irish electoral system, like almost every electoral system, is structurally rigged. In some cases, an electoral system – the British one for example – will be structurally rigged against small parties, like in 2015 when the Conservative Party won 330 seats on 36% of the vote but UKIP, which won 12% of the vote, got no seats at all.

In Ireland’s case, the system is not rigged against anybody, but it is very clearly rigged in favour of centrist, moderate, apparently harmless candidates. How so?

Your ballot paper, as a voter, encourages you to rank the candidates according to preference. Imagine an election in which there are five candidates: One each from the hard left and hard right, one each from the centre left and centre right, and one centrist. Each voter in the election is asked to rank the candidates – as Irish voters are – from one to five in accordance with their preferences.

It is very likely in that scenario that the candidate in the middle – the centrist – will get a very large number of number two and number three preferences, as voters go down their list of options. A socialist might start with the hard left, and progress to the centre left, and then to the centrist. Somebody on the hard right will do the opposite, starting with the candidate closest to their preference and working down.

Of course, that’s not how elections work in the real world, but it doesn’t mean the lesson is worthless. The easiest way to win an Irish election is to muster enough first preferences to be elected without needing preferences or transfers from other candidates. But for smaller parties in particular, getting transfers are the difference between turning roughly 7% into twelve Dáil seats, as the Green Party did in 2020, or turning roughly 7% into only seven Dáil seats, as the Labour Party did in 2016.

For an example perhaps more relevant to this article, consider the difference between Aontú in 2020 and the Socialist Party/People before Profit in 2011: Aontú managed one seat on 1.9% of the vote, whereas the hard left in 2011 managed four seats on just 2.2% of the vote. 0.3% of the first preference vote is not usually worth three additional seats. The difference was that our electoral system gives a massive seat bonus to candidates who can secure second and third preferences.

Securing those seats, as both the above examples indicate, is not simply a matter of ideology. The Greens, as observers of this Government might note, are amongst the most radical governing parties that this Republic has ever known, and yet the Greens have also been – historically at least – the masters at securing preferences from the supporters of other parties. They did this, it should be noted, not by broadcasting their ideology, but by hiding it in so far as possible and focusing instead on appearing unthreatening, well-intentioned, and cuddly: A vote for the Greens is a vote, in their telling, for cleaner water and protecting wildlife. Harmless. Which is why they have historically been able to hoover up preferences from voters who may well be appalled by the price of diesel under a Green Government.

People before Profit, too, are past masters at concealing their ideology. Their candidates do not, as a general rule, write on their leaflets that they are in favour of nationalising the local chip shop and abolishing national borders altogether, though both are their policies. Instead, they focus in elections almost exclusively on protest issues relevant to the voters in their area. They also make no bones about having a pretence at being in Government: A vote for them is a vote for a strong voice on housing or opposing the militarisation of Europe. In this way, there’s a conscious effort to make themselves a “safe” option for voters looking for somewhere to put their number two or number three vote.

If a criticism could be made of many of the new parties and candidates seeking election in the upcoming local and EU elections, one such criticism would be that too few of them are thinking about how to make themselves acceptable to voters whose first preference is committed elsewhere. Our electoral system rewards, structurally, candidates who do not – to use a phrase – scare the horses. Many first time parties and candidates, by contrast, often behave as if they exist solely and entirely to chase the horses from the paddock entirely.

So, to cite just one hypothetical example, there’s a significant difference between a candidate who says “We will seek the immediate deportation of every immigrant” and a candidate who says “I will be a strong voice for local concerns around rising immigration”. Or between a candidate who says “I will seek the prosecution of those who introduced vaccine passports” and a candidate who says “Irish politics needs more voices to challenge the stifling consensus that led to us enduring the longest lockdown in Europe”.

We have an electoral system that is designed, from the ground up, to reward moderation of tone. Understanding that is absolutely vital, if you want to succeed in it.

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Law Bidder
13 days ago

Good point! Actually all the FF FG GREENS SF AND PDs are all behaving like Marxists. We need to educate the voters to use maximum 2 options.

Robert Lynch
13 days ago
Reply to  Law Bidder

I can only imagine you meant to write “PFP” rather than “PDs”… since the PFP are going strong and the PDs are defunct for more than 10 years.

Last edited 13 days ago by Robert Lynch
Sick_of_Lies!
12 days ago
Reply to  Robert Lynch

I mean the Social Democrats and I say PDs too. They have fallen far from my favour! I’m getting old!

Last edited 12 days ago by Sick_of_Lies!
remembering Easter 1916
13 days ago

roll on civil war 2

Sick_of_Lies!
12 days ago

They know we are too pampered these days. Apart from that, most people have no idea what is actually happening. The immigration might be just what is needed to wake the masses up… like the shootings in 1916!

Last edited 12 days ago by Sick_of_Lies!
Peter Kelliher
13 days ago

This may have been the case in the past but I am not sure it applies to the current political situation. All the mainstream political parties now have a far left aura about them. I could be wrong but I think there is a huge appetite for a significant re-alignment to the right in Irish politics. That doesn’t mean a far right ideology but a move back to the true centre or slightly to the right where we have policies based on common sense and rationality rather than on obscure terms like “international obligations” and other such nonsense. When I see statements like “I will be a strong voice for local concerns around rising immigration” I see that as political speak meaning ” I don’t like rising immigration but there is nothing I can do about it except talk about it”.
There is palpable anger in the country and if the elections do not deliver radical change then I can see protests and outbursts of a violent nature occurring. I hope I am wrong but when ordinary, decent, hardworking people are being labelled far right and are being physically manhandled off our streets then it is hard to see any other way to force the government of the country to change course. The intimidatory tactics of the water protestors may have been distasteful but no one can doubt their effectiveness.

A Call for Honesty
12 days ago
Reply to  Peter Kelliher

Bar a few individuals, it appears to me that the parties are simply fifty shades of left. The branding “far right” or “extreme right” is disingenous and misleading. It does not enable the public to compare and contast actual policies and choose accordingly. I hope Gript will give a brief outline of each candidate’s views so we can reject people not because of the view of a Gript writer but because we can see what the candidate stands for.

ronan
13 days ago

what will make it dfficult for the right is that the vote is being SPLIT among a number of like-minded candidates. Eg you could have an Independent Ireland Candidate and an Irish Freedom Candidate running in your area like I have, both of these candidates would more or less agree on the same issues but the vote is being split among them making it more difficult for one to pass the line.

If we had a political party that brought all of these candidates together (IFP, Independent Ireland, the Irish People) , it would increase the chances of having a real opposition in Ireland.

Last edited 13 days ago by ronan
Declan Cooney
12 days ago
Reply to  ronan

or maybe an umbrella alliance (Irish Patriotic Party in 1700’s Grattan’s Parliament) which would help, NOT DICTATE!!!!!, all these nationalist Ireland parties/individuals who are canvassing and working FOR A BETTER IRELAND. Coordinate together (..when bad men combine, the GOOD must associate…Edmund Burke) to beat the globalists !!!!!

Jo Blog
13 days ago

Couldn’t agree more that our candidates need to be talking to the public instead of to ourselves… but most are.
Maybe spend a bit more time reading what Indep Ireland candidates are saying about themselves, Malachy’s message is pure mainstream, Gavin’s leaflets are 9 points about playgrounds and local issues one about house our own first. God knows even the NP are tailoring their message.

ANDY CROSS
13 days ago

I always just use 1 and give no preferences to any parties

James Gough
12 days ago
Reply to  ANDY CROSS

That doesn’t mean that someone else won’t fill in 2 3 and 4 for you later at the count.

Declan Hayes
13 days ago

Elections are about marketing, about selling your message, just as Coca Cola sell theirs. Richard Boyd Barrett delivers one message in the richer art of his constituency and another in the poorer part. They use the Palestinian and all other issues to recruit members and get more shekels by way of direct donations.
New parties/groups are taking on Coca Cola and Pepsi. Unlike the smart kids who run lemonade stands, they bark at prospective punters and scare them away. They are not from the Dale Carnegie school of how to win friends and influence people,
The traditional parties know where and how to garner votes and many of them have been trained by Bunny Carr etc on how to give a meaningless soundbite. They are also organised, the devil you know type There is a big market out there for change but there is also a market for alternatives to CocaCola and Pepsi. In England, thealtnerative is the Lib Dems ie more of the same, just like here with Sinn Fein and the chancers of PBP.

James Mcguinness
13 days ago

One of the main problems with politics over the last few years is that genuine people with integrity have no desire to rule over anyone and all we got was fools who would ordinarily be working in a low paying job in a just world who conned people into voting for them through some emotional attachment as the con artists know that the irish are empathetic and they took full advantage of this. The party politicians today are like an abusive partner who come back every 4 years to say I wont do it again and dont go back to the other abusive partner because they are bad. They are all abusive partners.

Sick_of_Lies!
12 days ago

I think some honest people are saying, if we don’t do something, who will? So they are drifting back! I am putting my hope on the time we have left, before the election. People are waking up at such a pace, that the uni-party might not be able to make a government, even with SF, at the time of the election. It’s important to keep making people aware… even if they are getting sick of hearing it!

James Mcguinness
12 days ago
Reply to  Sick_of_Lies!

They can row back all they want but the fact of the matter is that words are cheap and their actions say otherwise. Immigration is the number one topic and they only thing they are doing is continuing the plantation of ireland. We still have no houses, daragh the dodgy salesman trying to say that he built thousands this year but where is the evidence of these mystery houses. Where are the lovely contented former homeless irish sitting in their own front rooms. They simply dont exist. Houses are getting built, yes but they dont include any context of how construction companies are rolling back on their social housing commitments and the houses are instead either being sold to the vultures or rented to the government for illegals like the housing estate up in donegal. Thats why the homeless figure gets higher. People are gunning for that lot and they are not stupid, they know that anything promised is a bribe filled with empty promises and they will not be put in a position of tyranny anymore in their own land. These parties are finished and they know this because they know the polls are garbage, that was the biggest take from the referendum and thir bosses are not happy. Yes they may have step back from the controls a bit but the train is still hurtling down the tyranny tracks at full speed. Unless they close the border and house 14k people by election day, there is more hope of them telling the truth. The issue for them is that now they are in the shit because the people we are going to elect wont be in the magic circle because they will be grass roots, this is very unchartered territory for people who controlled the narrative for so long. All Ill say is be very careful where you place your tick on election day, use your own pen and no second preferences.

Stephen O’Rourke
12 days ago

Hello,

The fact of the matter is, we need to get away from the established parties. Time after time, policy after policy, the established parties have shown contempt for the people.

We need better representation in Europe, where most critical decisions are made.

We need a sensible voice who is not afraid to stand up for the ordinary people…a person who has life experience and is not a career politician. A person who is 100% independent.

I truly believe I am that person. I am running as a candidate for Dublin MEP in the upcoming European Parliament elections. Please check out my website where you can see more on my policies and priorities. If you can, please donate (link on my site) – even 2 euro if you can. So that I can pay for flyers to get my message out to all households!

I urge you to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have – you have a direct line to me through, for example, WhatsApp, the details of which you’ll find on my site.

We the people need to take the power back into our hands.

Thank you and best,

Stephen

Stephen O’Rourke
MEP for Dublin Candidate
European Parliament Elections 2024
http://www.stephen4europe.eu

James
11 days ago

Not a bad thing to have a common sense party like Aontu with power to temper the extreme insanity of the essentially far left and extreme left that we have ruining the country

OutOfIdeas
9 days ago
Reply to  James

Common sense? they say the same things every other party says about immigration:

 “this state does have international responsibilities.”
“we have an ethical responsibility to afford that person shelter in line with international law and moral obligation”
“Direct Provision is a source of national shame. Given that refugees are people who have had to flee their own countries, to arrive here and be left in camps for years instead of their cases being dealt with efficiently is abhorrent, and utterly disregards their humanity and circumstances. Often these are families who cannot live a normal family life while held in a Direct Provision centre. The Irish establishment is great at looking to the past to find sources of shame, however our generation has many sources of shame now that are simply ignored. Processing time for refugees needs to be reduced significantly in order to allow people to live in dignity while they await decisions.”
“must also fulfil our international and ethical responsibilities”
“Aontú seeks a migration plan that meets our obligations as a people, is economically and culturally enriching, humanitarian, and is sustainable in terms of capacity.”
https://aontu.ie/immigration

James Gough
12 days ago

Speaking of Horses John I see that the public order thugs have seized the horses off the kids in Coolock. These bully boy thugs are really going all out to upset people and cause trouble for RTE to film. Kids in Coolock and Ballyfermot have had horses for as long as I have been alive. It was never an issue untill now. The DSPCA used to run training courses for the kids to teach them how to look after them. Now Harris things in uniform turn up to size them because the kids are just as upset as everyone else at what this sociopathic government are ramming through. Real scumbags in uniform.

MICHAEL DINEEN
11 days ago

Good points made here, though it is not entirely true.
Our Proportional Representation/ Single Transferable Vote system is one of the best systems in existence. It puts real power in the hands of voters and if wisely used can be a powerful tool. If unwisely used, as in the scenarios above, it is also a powerful tool to bring about unintended consequences for the very same voters.
The problem is that quite a significant number of people do not fully understand it and therefore do not put it to best use.
There needs to be an information and/or education campaign on this.
One problem is as you outline, some people fill in a preference for every candidate on the ballot paper, ensuring that even those they do not really want get maybe a tenth or eleventh preference. What they may not realise is that even a very low preference like that could potentially count as a full vote for that candidate.
Another problem is that some people use just one or two preferences thereby losing a lot of the power of their vote. If their favorite candidates get eliminated, that is the end of that.
Using PR/STV strategically is difficult business but done properly can bring about great change.
Of course, the biggest problem of all is those that do not use their vote at all. And unfortunately looking at the turnouts time in and time out the areas with the lowest percentage of voters are all too often the areas where people should be voting in high numbers as they are often the areas that suffer most from government policy.

Michael

Declan Cooney
12 days ago

Nationalist Ireland???????????? are you listening????????????
in recent days you sound like spoilt leftie …… !!

Stephen O’Rourke
12 days ago

The fact of the matter is, we need to get away from the established parties. Time after time, policy after policy, these parties have shown contempt for the people. 
We need better representation in Europe, where most critical decisions are made.
We need a sensible voice who is not afraid to stand up for the ordinary people…a person who has life experience and is not a career politician. A person who is 100% independent.
I truly believe I am that person. I am running as a candidate for Dublin MEP in the upcoming European Parliament elections. Please check out my website where you can read more on my policies and priorities. 
I urge you to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have – you have a direct line to me through, for example, WhatsApp.
The time for a sensible voice is now. I look forward to speaking with you!
Best,
Stephen O’Rourke
MEP for Dublin Candidate, 2024
http://www.Stephen4Europe.eu

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