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Government is forfeiting the right to ever talk about misinformation again

Earlier this week, the Taoiseach of Ireland said something that is plainly, undeniably, and absolutely false. Speaking at the launch of his party’s “Yes/Yes” campaign ahead of the two March 8th referendums, Leo Varadkar said the following, as faithfully reported without comment by the taxpayer-funded national broadcaster:

The Taoiseach has said the referendum on care, if passed, would place an additional and stronger obligation on future governments to support carers.

To establish that this statement is untrue, the average voter need only look at the wording of the proposed constitutional change. Here it is, in full, with my emphasis on the relevant bit that proves the Taoiseach’s words to be the nonsense that they are:

The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision.

The word “strive” is defined in the Cambridge English Dictionary as follows: to try very hard to do something or to make something happen, especially for a long time or against difficulties. In other words, the Government is not obliged to do anything. It is simply obliged to try to do something, using a word that recognises that doing something might be very hard, if not impossible.

It might additionally be pointed out that there is nothing in the constitution’s present wording that prevents the Government from providing additional support to carers if it wishes, something Simon Harris admitted to Ben Scallan earlier this week.

But the Government was not done there. Green Minister Catherine Martin asserted, completely falsely, that the current wording of the constitution “says that a woman’s place is in the home”. This is untrue.

It is not only untrue, but it has been confirmed as being untrue by no less an authority than the Irish Supreme Court’s Judge Marie Baker, who is also Chairwoman of Catherine Martin’s own independent electoral commission, who says that “The case law of the Supreme Court is quite clear that (the present wording) doesn’t mean that a woman’s place is in the home”. If you don’t believe me, you can watch her saying it herself here.

But then we get back to the Taoiseach. Here he is this week saying that warnings that the referendum might lead to more immigration under so-called “family re-unification” are “red herrings”:

Yet here is a report from the Irish Independent, from last December, explicitly contradicting what he’s just said on camera:

Cabinet ministers have been told constitutional changes to the definition of a family could result in an increase in people seeking reunification with relations who emigrated to Ireland.

Documents prepared by senior officials for a high-level meeting said: “In the specific area of immigration, it is likely that the amendment will give rise to an increase in the number of persons asserting family relationships.”

Now of course, the Government might dispute the contents of the Irish Independent’s reporting – but they have had two months to do so, and failed to raise any concerns about it. And in fairness to the Independent, their reporting of cabinet discussions is almost always accurate. There is zero reason to doubt its accuracy in this instance, especially since so much time has elapsed.

So that’s three instances of senior members of the Government making statements about the referendum, in one week, that are verifiably false. And that, in all honesty, they have to have known to be false at the time they made them. Leo Varadkar was at the cabinet meeting that discussed immigration. Catherine Martin set up the electoral commission and appointed Marie Baker to chair it. Even the average Irish politician can understand the meaning of the word “strive”. It defies credibility to suggest that these false statements are honest mistakes.

This is the same Government, one should remember, that endlessly warns us about the dangers of misinformation and disinformation, and in particular how misinformation might lead to the corruption of democratic outcomes. Their constant refrain is that online misinformation might lead to people voting based on bad information, damaging the interests and image of the country internationally.

Aside from anything else, the really annoying thing is that in principle, the Government is right to warn about the dangers of misinformation. Some of it comes from sources other than the Government, and of course even those with the best intentions can make an honest mistake. Yesterday I encountered somebody who believes, for example, that Indian nationals were paid €80,000 by the Irish taxpayer to come here – an example of genuine misinformation that did not come from the state.

But arguments about misinformation cannot be sustained when the Government itself is openly misinforming voters about the consequences of what they are asking the public to vote on. There are reasonable and fair arguments to be made for a Yes vote, and reasonable and fair arguments to be made for a No vote. The Government, by contrast, is simply fibbing to the public. They should never be taken seriously about misinformation again.

And nor should the pious media outlets that echo their every concern about misinformation, and stay quiet when misinformation comes from Government buildings. It’s revolting.

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Declan Hayes
2 months ago

People like Varadkar, Catherine Martin, Roderic & Column O’Gorman, Simon Harris, Ivana Bacik, Fintan Warfield, Panti Bliss etc have been elevated to push the agenda that the Irish should not be masters of their own destinies and that they should be more powerless than they were during the Good Old Penal days. Any hiccup in pushing that narrative, misinformation as you call it, is a mere blip on our road to nothingness. Remember that American lesbian Zappone who was put in charge of grooming Irish children. She refused to return from the States to explain her scam about representing Ireland’s views on lesbianism to the world but could return soon after to booze it up with her buddies and laugh at the rest of us. Mere blips on our road to nothingness

Des
2 months ago

Professional Liars lie and continue to lie………….when will the penny drop with the Irish electorate

Paul
2 months ago
Reply to  Des

I think the penny has dropped with the majority of people. Just need an election now to get rid of them

RealIrish
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul

Really? Are enough people ready and willing to vote them out, incl. not replacing them with SF? Maybe, I don’t know. I’m a bit pessimistic myself, I think it’s going to get worse and will have to get much worse before people do so. Not my area of expertise though, and I do live in hope

Paula
2 months ago
Reply to  RealIrish

I have been asking the parents at my childrens school what they think about the referendum on the 8th and a lot of them didn’t know about it. The ones that did know are voting No No.

HopefulDetermined
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul

God i hope you’re right Paul, feeling a but nervous lately that readers of sites like this myself included are in a bit of a bubble of our own and assuming everyone else sees it the same way. All the polls which ever result they give are not worth resting a hat on. Will have to wait for the referendum for a better idea of how the wind is actually blowing.

John joseph McDermott
2 months ago

The last fool has not been born yet.!

John Murphy
2 months ago
Reply to  Des

Never! Heads stuck up their own (backsides, using backsides to get past the censors).

Pat.Carr.
2 months ago

The Irish are said to have the ‘gift-of-the-gab’. The regime wants to end that with some random laws. Let them!
The hate-speech-laws are authoritarian, totalitarian, tyrannical, destopian, fascist, racist, anti-freedom, anti-free-speech, anti-democratic, anti-republican, pro-WEF, globalist, marxist, draconian, Woke, over-the-top, anti-constitutional, undefined, madness, anti-Irish, a resurgence in feudality, and they make the regime and the hencemen, who will carry out these laws to public enemies no. 1. This will not be the first time in history that the Irish will have to take care of oppressors! The British police became out-casts in Irish society. Boycotting was the order of the day. The Irish people used an-eye-for-an-eye-and-a-tooth methods, rather than reporting crimes to the police.
Feudal times are indeed approaching again, one feels, and we are ready for them! The first victim will be undoubtedly Varadkar’s career! They can invent punishment for undefined ‘Hate-Speech’, to circumvent criticism of the planned impending dystopianistic society and attacks on our freedoms, but they cannot stop or punish real destructive ‘hate’! Fine Gael is also dying as a party, due to that same ‘popularity-level’, carried over from their un-Irish globalist ‘leader’. People are leaving that party in droves and when FG exists no more… then good riddance to bad rubbish! How was a party of the fascist Eoin O’Duffy ever accepted in Irish politics? We see from these laws, FG haven’t changed since then! They just needed one similar leader to Eoin… and they have him now!
At the end of the day, if we succeed in freeing ourselves from the uni-party parties, then we will have a huge positive from these ‘hate-speech-laws’, that can be reversed in one or two days! Then we will be a free-speaking nation once again!

Last edited 2 months ago by Pat.Carr.
Seamus Finlay
2 months ago

Blueshirt voters should be treated like Nazi collaborators.
They are exactly the same

RealIrish
2 months ago
Reply to  Seamus Finlay

There are no Blueshirts in power. No Blueshirt would have allowed the country to descend into what it’s become. At least based on my view of what they stood for, maybe I have it wrong

Pat.Carr.
2 months ago
Reply to  RealIrish

The Blue-shirts were incompetent fascists. Even Franco kicked them out of Spain as useless, when the went there to fight for the fascist side. Their elite Irish Brigade!

Last edited 2 months ago by Pat.Carr.
James Gough
2 months ago
Reply to  Seamus Finlay

That’s to harsh Seamus. FG was also the party of Liam Cosgrave senior. He was by no stretch of the imagination a Fascist. I don’t like in any way their civil war retaliation policy but I would not call them all Fascist. Varadkar is in the process of destroying them as is Martin in FF. Varadkar is a sinister figure. Martin is just a dumb fook on the make. Both are traitors.

Pat.Carr.
2 months ago
Reply to  James Gough

Don’t mix up the ACA and the later behaviour of the Blue-Shirts under O’Duffy, where they use the Roman-salute to identify their political leaning. O’Duffy cleansed the inbetween-named ‘National Guards’ of members who did not fit his absolute Christian-Irish model. He also changed the philosophy to a corporate-fascism á la Mussolini model. Some people still seem to hold these guys in high regard. Maybe their Grandfathers were members? My Grandfather was crippled as a young guy in the war of independence, so he had no choice in the matter.

Last edited 2 months ago by Pat.Carr.
James Mcguinness
2 months ago

It’s a bit difficult to play judge and jury on misinformation when your the source of misinformation. I read that the UK has branded Orwell and Huxley as terrorists too… Lol. I saw rushi shitsak had his arse handed to him by two mrna injured on live TV too. Shame our lot would not put themselves on front of a non hand picked audience to answer real questions from the public.

Paula
2 months ago

Yes James that’s what I want to see a proper live debate with a proper moderator

James Mcguinness
2 months ago
Reply to  Paula

It won’t happen unfortunately, never happens with a kakistocracy. The stupid would see them for what they are,

Jo Blog
2 months ago

Misinformation / disinformation is missing the point. When the public finally realise there is a refrendum taking place the only argument that is going to make an impression is (just like in Repeal) the one involving hard cases.

The children of single parents and unmarried parents asking “why are they saying were not a family?”

We have a counter argument, the one we adopted way too late during Repeal. Offer them a future referendum redefining family in the constitution but say the wording in this referendum – with its durable relationships – goes way too far.

Hard cases are the only argument that’s going to matter to voters when they finally pay attention. If we can’t get those hard cases off the table we lose.

https://joblog.substack.com/p/the-yesyes-sides-winning-argument

RealIrish
2 months ago

There’s a very good discussion between Chris Williamson(don’t really like the guy myself but it’s a good discussion worth a listen) and Brett Weinstein on the YouTube episode ‘Here’s where I disagree with Sam Harris’. Weinstein details the entire apparatus and how it works. This is Communist levels of evil.

He tells of how debunking has now moved to pre-bunking i.e. discrediting and destroying someone who would or could pose a threat to the Agenda. Starts approx. 4m30s in

Paul
2 months ago

They are making it all up as they go along. It’s disgusting what’s happening around the country and the lies being told by Government. I hope everything can see through them and will vote NO, NO

BorisPastaBuck
2 months ago

Many successful politicians (as in successfully “attaining power”) have little emotional attachment to the truth. A “little vignette” from the past – the person is still around – and I’m not going to label her as completely dishonest – what follows is “intellectual dishonesty” more than the blatant lying that we associate with the “uber successful” politician who actually becomes Taoiseach or gets one of the powerful Ministerial portfolios. The foregoing woman was complaining about the lack of funding for the then Refugee Council (this was in its early days) and came on RTE radio to “set out her stall”. Unfortunately this woman belonged to the now defunct Progressive Democrats and the particular presenter quite fairly reminded her of her party’s call in the very recent past for significant cuts in public spending. Her response to that point was a dismissive, hurt exclamation (to the following effect) – “ha – come on, now – don’t be bringing up irrelevancies !” Things have got worse since then – in terms of “say one thing one week” and “another” the following. Nowadays RTE and the rest will really only point out inconsistencies in a politician’s position if it will further their own agenda.

James Hogan
2 months ago

This is the same benevolent Leo who two years ago described as scrooges employers who thought it reasonable that employees who took time off work to get the covid jab should work the hours in lieu in order to receive full pay.

Pat.Carr.
2 months ago

This Dick calls everything a ‘red herring’, when all he does is to create red herrings! It’s his favorite expression. Talk about being limited!

Keith
2 months ago
Reply to  Pat.Carr.

Individual commentators aside a valid point,no matter the presentation,is still a valid point.
elected officials misrepresenting facts to suit their goals or narratives should trigger alarm bells in any democratic republic.
the article in question,although open to misrepresentation,
is one of the most forward thinking of it’s time.
history Is littered with ruling classes inexplicably driven by a need to detract from the inescapable,undeniable importance of women in society.
the ridiculousness is mind boggling.
families and love come in all guises but there is no acceptable reason for denying mothers are ,in general terms,the source of life and belonging to all lucky enough to be blessed with a mother.

John joseph McDermott
2 months ago

One of millions of misinformation brochures arrived in my letter box via An Post this morning. The lie machine is cranking up…

Edward Fitzgerald
2 months ago

An article like this being written by someone who is currently being sued for defamation is truly hilarious ????.

James Gough
2 months ago

You are easily amused then Ted.

Edward Fitzgerald
2 months ago
Reply to  James Gough

Make a counter argument if you want to defend a person or position ie Statement, supporting evidence, analysis of supporting evidence.

James Maher
2 months ago

Bravo, Gript! Is it outrageous to suggest that Gript receive public funding to enable it hold our Governnment to account on various issues?

Pat.Carr.
2 months ago

Elon Musk offers to finance any defence cases against this globalist.
https://rumble.com/v4djesu-ireland-just-shocked-the-world-and-elon-is-fighting-back.html

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