A very bad poll for the political class on immigration

If one were to read the Sunday Independent’s coverage of its own poll yesterday, one might have been forgiven for thinking that the joy in Government buildings might be unconfined. The headline on Jody Corcoran’s flagship piece made abundantly clear what readers were supposed to think of the results: “Public rallies to the centre ground”, it read. The text of the piece was similarly ebullient, leaving the reader in no doubt that the poll showed Irish people rejecting extremism – whatever that might look like – and all of its works, and all of its empty promises:

Nobody knew for sure what the impact would be, other than that there would be an impact — and what an impact there has been, according to today’s Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks opinion poll.

For example, few predicted that a majority would say the minister in the crosshairs, Helen McEntee (54pc), should not resign in the wake of the riot. Almost as many said the Garda Commissioner Drew Harris should not go (50pc).

Many would have also expected a fall in support for the Government, and for its law-and-order wing of Fine Gael, in particular.

When the results of this poll arrived yesterday there was surprise, then, to see not only a continued slide in support for Sinn Féin (28pc), down seven points in two months, consistent support for the government parties and strong support for McEntee herself.

With due respect to Jody Corcoran, that is certainly an interpretation – but it’s almost certainly the wrong one.

For example, a Garda Commissioner who can muster the support of just about half the population for the proposition that he should not resign can hardly claim to carry the broad support of the population. Politicians, by their nature, tend to have a lower support base amongst the public than officials like the commissioner, but even so, Helen McEntee’s position is not especially strong.

But it is on immigration where things really go off the rails for the political class as a whole, according to the polling.

Consider the finding, for example, that 55% of the public are more concerned about the growth of the far right than immigration, as opposed to 42% who are more concerned about immigration than the growth of the far right.

Take those numbers at face value, and you might think they are good for politicians and the media. But then put them in context: How many in politics, and the media, and academia, and polite society in general are making the argument that the far right is more dangerous, and how many are making the opposite argument? Suddenly the poll might not look so rosy for the “centre ground” after all, since four out of every ten voters are explicitly rejecting the message that bombards them every time they turn on a radio station or open a newspaper.

It doesn’t end there: 28% of the public, in this poll, say they would either vote for, or be open to voting for, a party with an explicitly anti-immigration agenda. Were those voters to mass around such a party, that party would immediately become the second largest – if not the largest – in the country.

When offered a specific option – in this case Conor McGregor, the outspoken former MMA star – to lead such a party, 8% of people say they would vote for a McGregor-led party, to 92% who say they would not. A bad result, you might think, on face value: But such a party would immediately be more popular than the Labour Party, the Greens, the Social Democrats, Aontu, or People before Profit. It would be the fourth largest in the state on day one. It should also be noted that McGregor, for all his fame, probably carries larger political liabilities than most. Were his name substituted for somebody else’s – say, for argument’s sake, George Hook’s – then those numbers might suddenly begin to look much more threatening.

The poll does show, make no mistake, that there remains a majority behind the political class as a whole. That majority, however, is tenuous. A huge section of the population – somewhere between the 28% who say they’d vote for an anti-immigration party, and the 42% more concerned about immigration than the far right – is explicitly unrepresented in politics by any of the major parties of Government or opposition.

It is also conspicuously under-represented in the media, and in radio and television debates. Despite that, immigration is now ranked as one of the top four issues for voters.

In this context, it is very difficult to agree with the Sunday Independent’s interpretation of its own poll. One might put a brave face on it – as the paper certainly did – and declare that for now, a majority are more worried about the so-called “far right” than anything else. But the numbers in outright dissent are clearly growing, and growing at a very rapid pace. The political door is wide open, per this poll, for a party sensible enough to appeal to people on the immigration issue, so long as they can avoid sounding like total headbangers on other issues.

That, thus far, has been a challenge none has been able to meet. The political class should be hoping that this remains the case.

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Tarry
4 months ago

It’s mystifying that the Irish, after hundreds of years fighting to recover their country, would simply give it away. Hand it off to passers-by. You can’t get it back.

Jerry M
4 months ago
Reply to  Tarry

So

Brian Boru
Shane the Proud
Earl of Desmond
Red Hughs
Owen Roe O’Neill
Patrick Sarsfiekd
Father Murphy
Robert Emmet
Eamonn De Valera
All of these heroes fought for the restoration of the old order. Their fight was implicitly a fight for Catholicism.
Were they all wrong as well?
Will you call them wrong?

Mary Reynolds
4 months ago
Reply to  Jerry M

This is a shill. No understanding of our past. He is indoctrinated by the far left about the Church and abuses it daily. Knows nothing about the persecution of the Catholic religion under British rule. A strong suspicion that he’s a paid shill.

Mary Reynolds
4 months ago

Not sure that I can trust any of these polls. Who were the people polled? That’s what matters. Who is behind the poll? Any nefarious figures? As long as the establishment and media continue to use the pejorative ‘far right’ for people like me, I see bias. My views are the same as all the other European countries who have cracked down on immigration. Europe, when they detected the problems of immigration, has swung to the right now to defend the rights of its own people. Ireland has adopted the extremist position of refusing to even acknowledge our immigration problem, let alone discuss it. In effect, they are by extension labelling all of Europe, ‘far right’ too. With many FG TDs ready to resign at the next election, due to disillusionment with party policies, it is strange that the public are backing Helen McEntee as strongly as they are, in the poll. This is the worst Minister for Justice we ever had in the worst government we ever had. I have never seen it as bad as this. Never. The party leaders appear to have destroyed FF and FG. The whole country is most unhappy, with protests out against them everywhere. Internal party policy from the leaders appears to be to ignore the people and their views. Why are the leaders continuing with mass uncapped immigration across open borders against our wishes? Are they receiving secret payments for this? Is there some inside plot? SF will be worse, if elected. The only hope is to back Independent TDs who are against immigration and the fledgling anti-immigration parties. People are afraid to speak out in case they’d be seen as racists. Those who do, are often apologists, citing lack of schools etc. We have 20% people who were born in a foreign country in the last census, far higher than countries who are stringent now. We must close immigration and start deportations. With the draconian hate law bill ready to become law, how can anyone support Helen McEntee? Subservience appears to be inbred in the Irish people, from hundred of years of harsh imperial rule. Stand tall. Reject tyranny.

Daniel BUCKLEY
4 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

It is beond doubt ,that the Media and RTE are the paid propaganda arm of the Regime.
Any Poll from that quarter has to have strong doubts as to its credibility.
Just another tactic to create despair, despondency and disillussionment and low turnout in a General Election to give the fringe minority activists an edge.I
Dismiss this Poll for what it clearly is,just another leg of the Propaganda attack on the Irish People.
We are now awake to the dirty tricks of this imbecilic Regime of dangerous incompetents.

Terry
4 months ago
Reply to  Mary Reynolds

Can they be deported or would it be a case of their visa or other document expiring and not being renewed? I’m writing from the States and don’t know the status of most of the immigrants in Ireland. I believe the vast majority of them are not illegal but have come through the EU. Is there any desire to leave the EU on Ireland’s part? Please let me know; I am interested in all this.

Mary Reynolds
4 months ago
Reply to  Terry

Those from the EU countries can arrive and work here freely. We took in 100,000 Ukrainian refugees. We have a high number, 17 per 1,000 inhabitants. The war is in East Ukraine, but we have accepted from all over Ukraine and outside, posing as Ukrainian. The others, who are the main bulk, are migrants that they call international protection applicants. Many have no passports or ID. I heard a TD saying on Sat on the radio that 40% had either none or forged passport in a given period. This was in reply to OGorman, minister for integration who was trying to say very few have no documents. We have a severe housing and homeless problem. The Irish are on housing (state) waiting lists and these people get priority over their heads. They get accomodation, board etc. Once they cross the border here, they are treated as legal and get benefits. Many are bussed into migrant centres, often at night, sometimes all males. That’s why there are protests. The government actively wants them and has invited them in. This is the problem. Read on Gript – O’Gorman defends Asylum Tweets in different languages, Apr 17 2033, Ben Scallan. OGorman caused a great acceleration in mass migration numbers.

Big money is given to those who provide migrant centres. Many nursing home owners have switched over to migrant provision now, where the money is. The same for hotels, leaving problems. Problem of services, schools, doctors etc. All overcrowded. We do not have enough gardaí (police).

This is the latest article I can find on deportations 28 Nov ’23, Irish Mirror, State has spent €5 million deporting illegal immigrants since 2018.

This year 829 deportations were issued. 65 were enforced. The problem is lack of enforment of deportations. Many are told to self deport, which they don’t. This is what you can expect from a pro immigrant government. There are appeals too that cost huge money.
The government pretend there is no problem and refuse to discuss it. They call anyone who opposes immigration, far right. These are told they are causing division and hatred. We have open borders. I have heard a politician saying, they are legal because they are inside the border, in response to someone who was calling them, illegals. There is an example of the free immigration policy today in Gript of a Bangladeshi family who are illegal and got an apartment, with locals already protesting outside. They came by taxi too, courtesy of the state. Micheál Martin, one of our leaders, said that sovereignty is backward, you can see why this is happening. He is angling too for all the Ukrainians to stay. I can see it happening. The pro migrant NGOs are pushing all this. They do not want the lucrative migrant industry to dry up because their big jobs depend on it. You asked about visas expiring. Visas are never mentioned and certainly never required in this racket. Even if he has a passport it’s impossible to tell if it’s genuine or fake. Thanks for your comments of support, Terry.

James Gough
4 months ago

Did the Irish independent ask if people were concerned about murderous non nationals going around stabbing toddler’s or was it just the burnt tram that worried them ?.

Gavin Bushe
4 months ago
Reply to  James Gough

As someone who has struggled with mental illness and against State Psychiatry for most of my life I resent being equated with an exploiter of Irish generosity and a child stabber.

Enda
4 months ago

Most people, in my opinion, have no issue with immigration per se and indeed, welcome its necessity. The problem arises with the uncontrolled and chaotic manner in which it is being handled by the government who, along with their media friends, do their utmost to quell any debate on the issue. This blind obsession with being perceived as being ‘progressive on this, and other issues, is likely to result in a rise in dangerous anti immigration sentiment.

Michael McGrath
4 months ago
Reply to  Enda

I welcome the Ukrainian refugees – but I don’t agree with mass immigration.

Jo Blog
4 months ago

Really bad poll for IFP and NP. 28% want a party holding “strong anti- immigration views” yet “other parties” including them are on less than 2%.

Is it because they are unknown or because people know more than enough about them.

I agree with Jody Corcoran’s analysis that these poll results show a swing back to the centre. And a rallying to McEntee and Harris. It makes sense. The pictures from the riot were very unsettling for most people. It has made some shy away from their dalliance with alternatives like Sinn Fein and holding unapproved anti immigration sentiments.
Given the daily negative headlines arising from the governments immigration policy I expect this retreat to the centre to be short lived.

Jerry M
4 months ago
Reply to  Jo Blog

Independents are rising in the polls .. it could be left leaning independents there are a few but .. I doubt it ..

Gripped
4 months ago

Well then set up that party with a manifesto based on the interest of the state. Otherwise you just end up with a couple of white supremacists independent loons bottoming the poll and a single Aontu TD. And when that happens, expect even more violence. Yesterdays poll shows that the current government will get re-elected as the majority.

Rita
4 months ago
Reply to  Gripped

I don’t know who will be elected next, but I know enough not to heed that poll. There are vested interests behind it.

Should NGOs like NWCI be allowed to spend money they receive from the Government on political campaigns?

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