As NPHET advises that Ireland should drop masking rules, a fierce debate as broken out between Ireland’s favourite scientist and himself.
Yesterday, in the wake of the new advice, ISAG’s Professor Luke O’Neill tweeted that “masks are still useful even if everyone isn’t wearing one.”
Remember – masks are still useful even if everyone isn’t wearing one.https://t.co/lJxLvVtdEo pic.twitter.com/HE3UvbHWvk
— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) February 20, 2022
Just back from the shops- cotton mask on. It will feel strange when you wear one but you’ll get used to it. We’re all in this together including wearing a mask. pic.twitter.com/CHAlulgup6
— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) May 6, 2020
O’Neill has sworn by masks so adamantly, that he’s urged people to “wear an effing mask,” even going so far as to say that “God wears a mask.”
Wear an effing mask…https://t.co/jEkK5C2jHn
— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) July 29, 2020
Even God is wearing a mask (2m rule mustn’t apply in heaven) https://t.co/DgTl6jJEJA
— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) June 19, 2020
The compelling science that supports cotton mask wearing in public places in the current emergency- NPHET please read and advise govt to help the public comply. Otherwise what are you there for?https://t.co/gniyzZQtj2
— Luke O'Neill (@laoneill111) May 27, 2020
This was apparently a subliminal diss and callout directed at rival scientist, Professor Luke O’Neill, who had previously stated that “If you’re not infected there’s no reason to wear a facemask.”
"[If you're not infected] there's no evidence that wearing a face mask will protect you at all."
– Professor Luke O'Neill on RTÉ One's Late Late Show, Friday, 28th of February 2020 pic.twitter.com/zvbYSULyQz
— Ben Scallan 🇮🇪 (@Ben_Scallan) November 5, 2021
“Two reasons: one, people fidget with it anyway. And secondly it goes in through the eyes as well. It’s an evil virus that will penetrate the eyes. And that’s not covered anyway. So there’s no evidence that wearing a face mask will protect you at all.
“If you don’t have this [virus], there’s no need to wear a face mask – absolutely not.”
“At all?” asked Ryan Tubridy.
“At all,” O’Neill replied flatly.
When asked why people were panicking about the mask issue, he replied “They’ve seen too many horror movies.”
“It’s understandable that people are scared. It’s in the media, and people are frightened in a sense. So wearing a facemask might make you feel a bit better maybe. But there’s no evidence at all that it will stop you catching the virus.”
Truly a clash of intellectual titans – and very evenly matched in terms of education and credentials.
Now jokes aside, people are, of course, allowed to change their minds on issues. In fact, that’s exactly what you want in people who are in positions of authority – if new evidence presents itself, we’d all rather we had experts and leaders who would adapt their view rather than staying entrenched. Obviously.
But when they do change their minds, you’d like to think they’d issue a bit of a mea culpa – to put their hand up and say “You know what lads? I was wrong – I’ve changed my view and here’s why. I’m sorry.” I don’t think any reasonable person could find fault in that.
But instead, very often in Ireland, a respected figure will say something one day, then totally contradict themselves another day, and not only do they not acknowledge it, but nobody else does either. It just gets memory-holed.
In the space of about a month, O’Neill went from asserting that masks were useless if you weren’t sick, to saying that they are absolutely essential. Now that masks are being done away with, he’s urging their continued widespread use.
Luke O'Neill says he believes masks should remain mandatory on public transport to protect immunocompromised people. https://t.co/oc5FwTiGkl
— NewstalkFM (@NewstalkFM) February 19, 2022
He didn’t initially say “We believe there’s no reason to wear a facemask.” He didn’t say “The evidence seems to suggest there’s no reason to wear a facemask.” He said categorically, with 100% confidence, “If you’re not infected there’s no reason to wear a facemask.”
Smash cut to 2 months later, and he said just as confidently that “Masks save lives.”
After extensive searching, to the best of my knowledge, this has never been mentioned in any Luke O’Neill interview, despite him being virtually omnipresent in Irish media for the past 2 years.
This is not to single O’Neill out mind you. The same could be said of Professor Sam McConkey, who first predicted that as many as 120,000 Irish people could die from Covid – a figure which we now know was way, way off, but which the government said it took seriously and which likely set the first Covid lockdown in motion.
Top doctor warns coronavirus could kill up to 120,000 Irish people https://t.co/1Dt43KKQso
— Irish Daily Mirror (@IrishMirror) March 8, 2020
Or take NPHET, whose predictions and models were consistently off by radical margins at almost every turn in the pandemic.
Via @CocoPhilips, here is what NPHET were saying two weeks ago.
Why do we trust these people as Covid oracles when they are wrong time after time after time after time after time after time after ti pic.twitter.com/PMoo6fglT3
— John McGuirk (@john_mcguirk) October 19, 2021
Again, so far as I can tell, none of these individuals or groups have ever admitted their mistake, nor have they been asked to during their countless media appearances. And these statements and proposals have real-life consequences for our society.
We don’t expect perfection from our leaders or experts – everyone makes mistakes and it’s quite possible that many of us would do no better in their shoes. But when we never admit those mistakes as a society, we will never learn. We will simply continue to put blind faith in the suggestions of people who have been wrong before and could easily be wrong again. And that can have devastating consequences.
If we’ve learned anything as we come out of the pandemic, it’s that scientist worship is not all it’s cracked up to be, and more honesty about “oopsies” is badly needed – even from people who are viewed as respected experts.